Lisa S.

Age at interview: 56
Outline: About a year ago, Lisa S was diagnosed with ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS), an early form of noninvasive breast cancer. Due to testing positive for a mutation on her BRCA gene, she had a double mastectomy and reconstruction. Lisa credits her recovery and resilience to peer counseling for Ashkenazi women with BRCA gene mutations, having great friends, and to “embracing the new.”
Background: Lisa S. is a is a single White woman who works as a medical assistant and lives alone in a large city in the West.
Breast cancer type: Ductal carcinoma in situ breast cancer

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Lisa S. received a disturbing phone call from the nurse navigator during her lunch hour about a year ago, in her mid-50s. The navigator immediately announced that Lisa’s routine mammogram showed signs of ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) breast cancer. Without missing a beat, the navigator immediately tried to schedule Lisa for a “mastectomy consultation” with the surgeon. To slow down the disturbing information flow, Lisa asked the navigator to define DCIS. Learning it meant “ductal cell in situ,” Lisa recalled her Latin and replied, “in situ means in place… it hasn't spread, right?” The navigator then reminded Lisa that due to her positive BRCA mutation status, “they will probably recommend a mastectomy.” Lisa, a healthcare provider herself at the same organization, notes several problems with this interaction. First, the diagnosis should have been delivered by a doctor not a nurse navigator. But if the navigator was going to deliver this news it would have been better to ask, “is this a good time?” The navigator should have checked out whether and how Lisa was ready to hear such devasting news on the phone. Or, since the navigator worked in the building next door from Lisa, she could have said, “why don't you come in so we can chat?”

Putting aside the very shabby way she received her diagnosis, Lisa recognized that BRCA was indeed “a game changer.” Learn more about Lisa’s experiences with testing positive for a breast cancer gene mutation here. She calculated her risk for advanced breast cancer (despite her prophylactic oophorectomy) and knew she had to “consider bigger options.” While DCIS usually means a lumpectomy, Lisa recognized the need for a double mastectomy and reconstruction surgery. It was frightening. She knew she was going to live—but feared losing her “good life” and her “sexual self.” Peer counseling through a local Ashkenazi Jewish BRCA advocacy group was a godsend. With the space to lay bare her fears and ask questions, she prepared herself psychologically and emotionally for losing her natural breasts. Over eight weekly sessions, Lisa came to accept she’d “had a great run,” that life will change, and she would figure out something different, and that “you can't mourn the things that you might not get in the future… You've got a new experience coming up. Someone's handing you a baton, a new baton. It wasn't what you expected, but you better run with that thing.”

With great social support and insurance, Lisa recovered from the pain and complications of her surgeries. She has since resumed running and working out, including a barre to “keep things stretched out.” She notes some loss. Her new breasts have no sensation. “They don't really feel like mine,” noting they are more like prosthetic or a bra—that she can’t take off. On the other hand, she loves her new breasts, even though they are smaller, and she doesn't have as much cleavage as before, she likes how they “look in a dress” and that she can go running without a bra. She really appreciates that more than one person has said, “you look fabulous.” In sum, Lisa notes, “I lucked out.”

As her first breast cancer anniversary approaches, Lisa counts her blessings. Given that she has a BRCA gene mutation, she knows she is lucky it was found at the non-invasive stage. She has been able to resume the things that gave her joy in past, and she has taken up new activities—primarily connecting with others who share her experiences. She started an online “safe room” for BRCA survivors. Given her genetic risk for breast cancer, Lisa will always worry. She hopes that the cutting-edge research on immunology and personalized medicine might discover less invasive treatments “than double mastectomy” for people with BRCA mutations and DCIS. As a provider in a family practice clinic, Lisa would like to “pay it forward” by working with cancer patients. She’d like to hold their hand and let them know “we're here for you.” To friends and family of someone with breast cancer, Lisa notes, “it's very hard to ask for something. It's always easier to receive.” Specific actions are much better than general offers like, “call if you need anything.” A card or a letter, or a text, or an email, she says, “is always very wonderful,” or “you can always come over to change the cat litter,” or “pick up some milk for me.” To others who are BRCA positive and diagnosed with DCIS, Lisa emphasizes the importance of finding someone who will sit with you and say, “tell me. Tell me. I want to hear how you're dealing with this.”

 

Lisa S. decided to have an oophorectomy because of both her age and her worry about the possibility of ovarian cancer.

Lisa S. decided to have an oophorectomy because of both her age and her worry about the possibility of ovarian cancer.

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 I think because when I had the ovary surgery, I was 53. I was already past menopause. I found out when I was--oh, 53, 51, doesn't matter. I was, past menopause. When they told me that the ovaries had to come out because of the BRCA. I was like, well, I don't really need them anymore.

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Like I said, like I was 53, so take the ovaries, right? They're like an appendix. Whoost, I don't need them. I didn't really even think about what women have to go through that are younger, right? And that have to make that choice because it'll—you can get ovarian cancer. I don't mean quickly.  Or what--the ovaries are like, the way I like to describe it, they're like meatballs, right? With the spaghetti sauce and spaghetti. We don't have, in this day and age, a very good test for ovarian cancer. You cannot see it. You can do a CT scan, and you still can't see very well. And so the reason why we remove the ovaries is because   there isn't a good test. And when they do have good test, it's already too far gone. Once they can see it, it's too far gone.

 

Lisa S. described an “easy” recovery from her prophylactic bilateral oophorectomy.

Lisa S. described an “easy” recovery from her prophylactic bilateral oophorectomy.

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Oh, you know, that wasn't bad. I had a month off from work. I probably could have used only two weeks. I had a month off. It was, I took August off. What great time! It was great. I wasn't living here. I was living. I call it summer camp. I was in between because I had just   gotten the no cause eviction like we all did in the building I was in. And in a day, I found a great place in this fabulous house   that we all had dinner together, and we had cocktails together. It was great. Everybody was about my age. It was like having a party every night. I recuperated there.   I'd sit in the back yard. I'd read books. You know and then we'd all have dinner. So, the recovery was easy. I talk about the social stuff. But the recovery was very easy. It wasn't a problem.

 

Lisa S. realized, after some grief, that she will need to find new ways to enjoy her life.

Lisa S. realized, after some grief, that she will need to find new ways to enjoy her life.

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I'm single, I'm having so much fun just fooling around and playing. My life's going to change. I don't want my life to change. I want my life to stay the same. I think the thing I got frightened by was, “Will I be able to live the life that I have? So for me, it was getting used to the idea. It was like, you know what? I'm 56. I had a great run. And if I have to figure out something different, fine. And if for some reason that doesn't happen, I will go out to bars, and laugh with people, and not bring them back, or whatever, not have fun in bed. I'll have fun different ways. I will have fun in different ways. And that took a long-- that took a long-- that took a while. You can't mourn the things that you might not get in the future. You have to feel good for the things that you had. If you start mourning the things that you lost, you, it's just a bad place to be. It's really a bad place to be because you'll always think that you should have them all the time. Well, you know what? Things change.

 

Lisa S. accepts that things change and “loves the new.”

Lisa S. accepts that things change and “loves the new.”

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You can't mourn the things that you might not get in the future. You have to feel good for the things that you had. If you start mourning the things that you lost, it's just a bad place to be. It's really a bad place to be because you'll always think that you should have them all the time. Well, you know what? Things change. We lose our age, right? So you can't be 20 forever either. You can't be someone who says, “Oh, well, I wish I had my black hair back.” You know, I don't, in a sense. And so, you have to love the new. You have to love the next process.

 

Lisa S. thinks it is best to be specific when offering help.

Lisa S. thinks it is best to be specific when offering help.

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I less appreciated people that would ask me, “What can I do for you?” I always appreciated more--and that's why the meal train was great because they just came over with dinner. They didn't say, what, what can I do for you? Don't, I’m never going to say--nothing, I'm fine. Everybody wants to be a martyr. It's very hard to ask for something. It's always easier to receive. And people with cancer always want food. Food is great. You know. Or you can always come over and say, ‘Hey, do you need that cat litter changed?” “Yes, I need that cat litter changed.” “Can I pick up some milk for you?” “Yes, you can pick up some milk for me.” So, specifics are really important. Giving a specific. Yeah, “Do you need your kids picked up from school?” “Yes, I need my kids picked up from school.”